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Friday, May 30, 2008

RE: NiMH frustration, looking for a solution

Hi Cory,
 
A tech guy like you will really get the most out of a smart charger and tester combo like the ones made by LaCrosse or Maha. The maha is my favorite unit but we also carry the ones made by LaCrosse. Check them out here. http://www.greenbatteries.com/batterytesters.html or on the Battery Chargers - NiMH page.
 
The ULSD batteries are the best available if you are trying to get the lowest self discharge rate but temperature will always suck the power out of NiMH batteries - no way around that one. Some of the manufacturers of these ULSD batteries use refrigerated carriers to get them here from overseas so the batteries are still "ready to use" like they are advertised. Speaking of the claims, I think they are exaggerated and you will not likely get a year of retained charge from any of them. I have tested several types, including our own brand, and they last for months, but not close to a year.
 
bottom line is if you really want to get charge retention but only rare use, an alkaline battery is still a good choice. Hey, if you don't use it up quickly and them throw it way, isn't that still environmentally friendly? Better than constantly charging the rechargeable battery and wasting that energy - right? ;-)
 
FYI - The ULSD batteries are probably still only available in AA and AAA sizes so to use them in any other battery size you will need to use some battery adapters/holders http://www.greenbatteries.com/batteryholders1.html  They work great, no worries.
 
Thanks for shopping on greenbatteries.com!!
 
Sincerely,

Curtis
 

Responsible Energy Corporation
Curtis Randolph - CEO
16157 Galena Meadows Drive

Reno, NV 89511
phone 800-790-7866 x3
fax 815-301-3958
cell 775-722-9901

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From: Cory
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:37 PM
To: curtis@greenbatteries.com
Subject: NiMH frustration, looking for a solution

A while ago I decided to go green and possibly save some money by switching to rechargeable batteries. I went to Best Buy and bought a bunch of Energizer NiMH batteries and their do-all charger. After a few months I am becoming very frustrated. I am an engineering type and used to do a lot with vehicle (motorcycle mainly) charging systems so I understand a little about the associated electronics so I can deal with a little tech speak. My first symptom I found was I had put 4 Ds in my trucks Maglite and a month or so later when I went to use it the thing was dead as a doornail. I know all batteries have a normal charge decay rate and the fact that my truck gets very hot every day sitting in the sun didn’t help matters. So I quickly determined that normal NiMH batters suck at retention. For this reason I reverted several devices like emergency flashlights, smoke detectors, and anything that was low infrequent use to alkaline. After some other problem I decided to research it today and found that my suspicions were correct but I also found that there is a new technology called LSD. But before I go buying a whole new set of batteries I was wondering how much better this technology is and if it’s worth it. I mean I got old flashlights that have sat for years and still work, it would be nice if a rechargeable could do the same. Also if it is worth it what is a good brand? I hear the new DuraCells are LSDs, how are they?

 

Next symptom was my charger. I specifically got this charger because it did all types and had a top-off mode that advertised that it would keep my batteries in ready to use condition. Yeah, right. My AA mouse batteries die much faster than the alkaline batteries (I’m guessing 10 to 1) and when I grab a fresh set of the charger I get about 5 minutes of use. But if I charge them for several hours I get a couple weeks of use out of them. Now I don’t know what’s going on here but I suspect that one of the problems is that this charger’s ‘smart’ circuit isn’t so intelligent. Also it charges AAs in pairs which would impede its ability to detect a bad battery. I also found that the memory is still a problem and this charger doesn’t have a discharge/renew option. So do you think I need a new charger? And if so what would you recommend? I use AA/AAA/C/D/9V batteries. I’m hoping I could find one that does a better job of detecting bad batteries and charges individually instead of pairs. And of course I want them to always be fully charged. Oh, also are there any that are not ‘vampires’? IOW ones where they stop drawing current from the wall when they aren’t doing anything?

 

Finally I was wondering if you have a white paper or something detailing how to test small batteries. For instance on car/MC batteries we would fully charge them, let them sit about an hour to settle, then measure voltage. If it wasn’t 12.8 it was toast for a non-sealed LA. And of course one could load test them with a tester but 99% of the time the recharge test worked adequately. I have a couple of AA NiMH batteries that when my mouse dies measure 0.1V or less and when recharged only bout 1.2V. Even though 1.2V is nominal for NiMH I’m thinking it should be more and some are more like 1.4V. So if I could test them individually that would help a lot. Also if you have some testers that are not too expensive that do more than a volt meter I would be interested.

 

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

 

Cory

 

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RE: Uses for NiMH batteries

Hi Becky,
 
With the advent of the ULSD (ultra low self discharge) NiMH rechargeable batteries on the market today you can use rechargeable NiMH batteries for almost all devices that use AA or AAA batteries. The ULSD batteries are ideal for low drain uses like flashlights, and remote controls, wireless mice and keyboards, etc. while the regular higher capacity NiMH batteries may be best if you are trying to get the most out of a battery within a short time.
 
Remember though, it is not advised to use a rechargeable battery in a device that is designed to use a non-rechargeable battery and it is used as a safety type device - like a smoke alarm. Use only the battery recommended by that specific manufacturer in that type of device.
 
Sincerely,

Curtis

Responsible Energy Corporation
Curtis Randolph - CEO
16157 Galena Meadows Drive

Reno, NV 89511
phone 800-790-7866 x3
fax 815-301-3958
cell 775-722-9901

www.greenbatteries.com
www.portablebatteries.com

 


From: Becky
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:54 PM
To: info@greenbatteries.com
Subject: Uses for NiMH batteries

Hi,

I have a question I can’t find an answer for anywhere.  Is there anything I shouldn’t use rechargeable batteries for?

 

Years ago when I first bought a charger I vaguely recall reading about some uses that were not so great for rechargeables.  Currently I have a charger (good for AA & AAA) and batteries which we use for MP3 players and a camera, but not for clocks, remote controls, and other small, not very often used electronic devices.  

 

Thanks,

Becky

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